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observed in the Hippias; cannot with certainty be adduced on either side of

the argument。  On the whole; more may be said in favour of the genuineness

of the Hippias than against it。



The Menexenus or Funeral Oration is cited by Aristotle; and is interesting

as supplying an example of the manner in which the orators praised 'the

Athenians among the Athenians;' falsifying persons and dates; and casting a

veil over the gloomier events of Athenian history。  It exhibits an

acquaintance with the funeral oration of Thucydides; and was; perhaps;

intended to rival that great work。  If genuine; the proper place of the

Menexenus would be at the end of the Phaedrus。  The satirical opening and

the concluding words bear a great resemblance to the earlier dialogues; the

oration itself is professedly a mimetic work; like the speeches in the

Phaedrus; and cannot therefore be tested by a comparison of the other

writings of Plato。  The funeral oration of Pericles is expressly mentioned

in the Phaedrus; and this may have suggested the subject; in the same

manner that the Cleitophon appears to be suggested by the slight mention of

Cleitophon and his attachment to Thrasymachus in the Republic; and the

Theages by the mention of Theages in the Apology and Republic; or as the

Second Alcibiades seems to be founded upon the text of Xenophon; Mem。  A

similar taste for parody appears not only in the Phaedrus; but in the

Protagoras; in the Symposium; and to a certain extent in the Parmenides。



To these two doubtful writings of Plato I have added the First Alcibiades;

which; of all the disputed dialogues of Plato; has the greatest merit; and

is somewhat longer than any of them; though not verified by the testimony

of Aristotle; and in many respects at variance with the Symposium in the

description of the relations of Socrates and Alcibiades。  Like the Lesser

Hippias and the Menexenus; it is to be compared to the earlier writings of

Plato。  The motive of the piece may; perhaps; be found in that passage of

the Symposium in which Alcibiades describes himself as self…convicted by

the words of Socrates。  For the disparaging manner in which Schleiermacher

has spoken of this dialogue there seems to be no sufficient foundation。  At

the same time; the lesson imparted is simple; and the irony more

transparent than in the undoubted dialogues of Plato。  We know; too; that

Alcibiades was a favourite thesis; and that at least five or six dialogues

bearing this name passed current in antiquity; and are attributed to

contemporaries of Socrates and Plato。  (1) In the entire absence of real

external evidence (for the catalogues of the Alexandrian librarians cannot

be regarded as trustworthy); and (2) in the absence of the highest marks

either of poetical or philosophical excellence; and (3) considering that we

have express testimony to the existence of contemporary writings bearing

the name of Alcibiades; we are compelled to suspend our judgment on the

genuineness of the extant dialogue。



Neither at this point; nor at any other; do we propose to draw an absolute

line of demarcation between genuine and spurious writings of Plato。  They

fade off imperceptibly from one class to another。  There may have been

degrees of genuineness in the dialogues themselves; as there are certainly

degrees of evidence by which they are supported。  The traditions of the

oral discourses both of Socrates and Plato may have formed the basis of

semi…Platonic writings; some of them may be of the same mixed character

which is apparent in Aristotle and Hippocrates; although the form of them

is different。  But the writings of Plato; unlike the writings of Aristotle;

seem never to have been confused with the writings of his disciples:  this

was probably due to their definite form; and to their inimitable

excellence。  The three dialogues which we have offered in the Appendix to

the criticism of the reader may be partly spurious and partly genuine; they

may be altogether spurious;that is an alternative which must be frankly

admitted。  Nor can we maintain of some other dialogues; such as the

Parmenides; and the Sophist; and Politicus; that no considerable objection

can be urged against them; though greatly overbalanced by the weight

(chiefly) of internal evidence in their favour。  Nor; on the other hand;

can we exclude a bare possibility that some dialogues which are usually

rejected; such as the Greater Hippias and the Cleitophon; may be genuine。 

The nature and object of these semi…Platonic writings require more careful

study and more comparison of them with one another; and with forged

writings in general; than they have yet received; before we can finally

decide on their character。  We do not consider them all as genuine until

they can be proved to be spurious; as is often maintained and still more

often implied in this and similar discussions; but should say of some of

them; that their genuineness is neither proven nor disproven until further

evidence about them can be adduced。  And we are as confident that the

Epistles are spurious; as that the Republic; the Timaeus; and the Laws are

genuine。



On the whole; not a twentieth part of the writings which pass under the

name of Plato; if we exclude the works rejected by the ancients themselves

and two or three other plausible inventions; can be fairly doubted by those

who are willing to allow that a considerable change and growth may have

taken place in his philosophy (see above)。  That twentieth debatable

portion scarcely in any degree affects our judgment of Plato; either as a

thinker or a writer; and though suggesting some interesting questions to

the scholar and critic; is of little importance to the general reader。





ALCIBIADES I



by



Plato (see Appendix I above)



Translated by Benjamin Jowett





INTRODUCTION。



The First Alcibiades is a conversation between Socrates and Alcibiades。 

Socrates is represented in the character which he attributes to himself in

the Apology of a know…nothing who detects the conceit of knowledge in

others。  The two have met already in the Protagoras and in the Symposium;

in the latter dialogue; as in this; the relation between them is that of a

lover and his beloved。  But the narrative of their loves is told

differently in different places; for in the Symposium Alcibiades is

depicted as the impassioned but rejected lover; here; as coldly receiving

the advances of Socrates; who; for the best of purposes; lies in wait for

the aspiring and ambitious youth。



Alcibiades; who is described as a very young man; is about to enter on

public life; having an inordinate opinion of himself; and an extravagant

ambition。  Socrates; 'who knows what is in man;' astonishes him by a

revelation of his designs。  But has he the knowledge which is necessary for

carrying them out?  He is going to persuade the Atheniansabout what?  Not

about any particular art; but about politicswhen to fight and when to

make peace。  Now; men should fight and make peace on just grounds; and

therefore the question of justice and injustice must enter into peace and

war; and he who advises the Athenians must know the difference between

them。  Does Alcibiades know?  If he does; he must either have been taught

by some master; or he must have discovered the nature of them himself。  If

he has had a master; Socrates would like to be informed who he is; that he

may go and learn of him also。  Alcibiades admits that he has never learned。 

Then has he enquired for himself?  He may have; if he was ever aware of a

time when he was ignorant。  But he never was ignorant; for when he played

with other boys at dice; he charged them with cheating; and this implied a

knowledge of just and unjust。  According to his own explanation; he had

learned of the multitude。  Why; he asks; should he not learn of them the

nature of justice; as he has learned the Greek language of them?  To this

Socrates answers; that they can teach Greek; but they cannot teach justice;

for they are agreed about the one; but they are not agreed about the other: 

and therefore Alcibiades; who has admitted that if he knows he must either

have learned from a master or have discovered for himself the nature of

justice; is convicted out of his own mouth。



Alcibiades rejoins; that the Athenians debate not about what is just; but

about what is expedient; and he asserts that the two principles of justice

and expediency are opposed。  Socrates; by a series of questions; compels

him to admit that the just and the expedient coincide。  Alcibiades is thus

reduced to the humiliating conclusion that he knows nothing of politics;

even if; as he says; they are concerned with the expedient。



However; he is no worse than other Athenian statesmen; and he will not need

training; for others are as ignorant as he is。  He is reminded that he has

to contend; not only with his own countrymen; but with their enemieswith

the Spartan king
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